(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[3600]OT[25/900 Canadian]
PW[Emil]PB[aguilar1]WR[4d]BR[6d]DT[2008-12-23]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: buen juego
]RE[B+Resign]
;B[qd]BL[3592.515]C[Emil [4d\]: excelente
Emil [4d\]: igualmente
]
;W[pq]WL[3590.375]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: Clasificatorio para la Fujitsu
]
;B[qo]BL[3571.859]C[yithril [2d\]: ese juego es por el Fujitsu cup?
pranayama [-\]: si
Jewish [?\]: qualifying round?
]
;W[cp]WL[3547.37]C[yithril [2d\]: por el representate de quel pais?
yithril [2d\]: argentina?
]
;B[dd]BL[3549.154]C[cuetzpalin [-\]: representante de latinoamérica
Jewish [?\]: gracias.
]
;W[od]WL[3524.894]C[cuetzpalin [-\]: de nada
yithril [2d\]: impressionante :)  pero no hay 6d's ademas de aguilar?
]
;B[mc]BL[3519.451]C[cuetzpalin [-\]: no los hay dónde?
]
;W[qc]WL[3466.575]C[yithril [2d\]: en latinoamerica, me sorprendio que aguilar juege con un 4d por el fujitsu cup :)
]
;B[rc]BL[3494.576]C[cuetzpalin [-\]: no es la final
yithril [2d\]: entendido 
]
;W[pc]WL[3446.12]
;B[re]BL[3492.071]C[pranayama [-\]:  pero podria ser la final ..
yithril [2d\]: como?
pranayama [-\]:  creo que no hay mas 6 dan en la clasificacion
myg0t [18k\]: why is black higher rank?
myg0t [18k\]: shudnt he be white
cuetzpalin [-\]: el partido decisivo
Amitabha [1k\]: tournament game
yithril [2d\]: games are even
cuetzpalin [-\]: myg0t, nigiri
myg0t [18k\]: o
cuetzpalin [-\]: in an even tournament game, usually colors are decided by nigiri
]
;W[me]WL[3332.789]C[myg0t [18k\]: ehats nigiri
myg0t [18k\]: whats?
cuetzpalin [-\]: look up at sensei's library for full definition
yithril [2d\]: just a means of deciding who plays what color
RayTomes [1d\]: a rnadom choice made by picking handful of stones and guessing odd or even
cuetzpalin [-\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?Nigiri
RayTomes [1d\]: random*
]
;B[oe]BL[3399.648]C[yithril [2d\]: nunca he visto p15 :)
]
;W[ne]WL[3197.596]
;B[of]BL[3367.479]
;W[lc]WL[3043.718]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: esto parece razonable
]
;B[ld]BL[3346.318]
;W[md]WL[3028.438]
;B[kc]BL[3342.72]
;W[lb]WL[3020.86]
;B[kd]BL[3330.364]
;W[mb]WL[2985.016]
;B[np]BL[3293.803]C[yithril [2d\]: mejor por negro pienso
]
(;W[po]WL[2927.817]
;B[pp]BL[3289.226]
;W[op]WL[2911.108]
;B[qp]BL[3284.715]
;W[oq]WL[2867.432]
;B[oo]BL[3278.778]
;W[pn]WL[2737.529]
;B[qq]BL[3270.063]
;W[nq]WL[2733.054]
;B[mp]BL[3158.52]C[LEIBNIZ [4k\]: M2 is Joseki
]
;W[mq]WL[2231.746]C[skamus [?\]: Holy Driver! =O
elahrairah [2k\]: Isn't this move supposed to be a mistake, as in Gennan-Shusaku?
]
;B[on]BL[2939.723]C[skamus [?\]: I just know that it's extremely complicated :) maybe a mistake maybe not lol
skamus [?\]: the usual is p6 
LEIBNIZ [4k\]: This looks bad for w
]
;W[pm]WL[1940.85]
;B[om]BL[2886.351]
;W[pl]WL[1918.081]
;B[lq]BL[2820.345]
;W[lr]WL[1905.276]C[skamus [?\]: doble hane! XD
skamus [?\]: yo se que aguilar bajo esa cara pacífica y pensativa que intimida tiene el espiritu peleón de un joven. ¡Doble hane!
amycheetah [6k\]: xDDDDD
]
;B[ol]BL[2736.135]C[dsfsdfgdf: has aguilar ever played artem?
Tropical [3d\]: yes
Tropical [3d\]: he lost one
cksmao [1d\]: taisha is most amusing
aguilar1 [6d\]: esto es severo
]
;W[rn]WL[1545.119]C[cksmao [1d\]: Considering the fact Aguilar is taking such a long time 
cirno [-\]: Seems W must Q9 or resign?
cksmao [1d\]: he will probably play the best move
cirno [-\]: I was wrong, of course.
Shana [2d\]: cksmao,  no
]
;B[ro]BL[2708.017]C[cksmao [1d\]: no what
cirno [-\]: Emil, not Agui thinking.
cirno [-\]: Corner seems like local ko?
cksmao [1d\]: then did white play the wrong move??
cksmao [1d\]: is this even joseki?
Bbridge [4d\]: yah 
Bbridge [4d\]: this is joseki
]
;W[qr]WL[1405.86]C[Bbridge [4d\]: the most complicated version
]
;B[rr]BL[2702.332]
;W[pr]WL[1390.179]
;B[pk]BL[2699.056]C[cirno [-\]: Forcing exchange?
cirno [-\]: See, this seems so devastating...
cksmao [1d\]: at such level then this joseki will really evolve into middle game
]
;W[qk]WL[1358.037]C[Aguydude [5k\]: I am not sure which color I'd rather be in this situation
Bbridge [4d\]: black is way better
RayTomes [1d\]: I would play R10 without thinking  ... wouldn't know what to think about  :)
Bbridge [4d\]: s1 ...
]
;B[qj]BL[2608.756]C[Bbridge [4d\]: si is a part of the joseki
UchiSasuke [4k\]: ooo fight
RayTomes [1d\]: s1 next?
RayTomes [1d\]: W must defend r8
Aguydude [5k\]: If s1, won't q6 die?
Bbridge [4d\]: b was supposed to play s1.
cksmao [1d\]: if b didn't
cksmao [1d\]: what would be the consequence
cksmao [1d\]: of not playing s1
cksmao [1d\]: total annihilation?
Aguydude [5k\]: I mean if w s1 q6 will die
RayTomes [1d\]: I agree Aguydude
]
;W[rk]WL[1262.585]
;B[rm]BL[2602.256]C[UchiSasuke [4k\]: man b is so fearless
Bbridge [4d\]: nah
cksmao [1d\]: because he read out already?
Bbridge [4d\]: w is all dead
cirno [-\]: This isn't fearless.
RayTomes [1d\]: well all these moves are forcing
cirno [-\]: It's required.
cksmao [1d\]: black already read out
Aguydude [5k\]: I think r9 could be saved, if nothing else.
cksmao [1d\]: s7 tesuji
Locks [6k\]: s8?
RayTomes [1d\]: I think presence of B in top right allows B to be more aggressive here
Bbridge [4d\]: s8 than r6 my friend
UchiSasuke [4k\]: i really like watching aguilar's serious games his like 10 stones stronger lol xD
cksmao [1d\]: I was wondering has any of them deviated from the joseki?
RayTomes [1d\]: because after q10 p9 r8 s10 q11 r10 is safe
skamus [?\]: both =P
Aguydude [5k\]: Emil has already used up 40 min
skamus [?\]: n3 aint joseki
Bbridge [4d\]: u can buy a book with all the Josekis' consequences
Aguydude [5k\]: This sequence makes more sense when you realize that black is higher-ranked
RayTomes [1d\]: you need more than 1 book for all of them
cirno [-\]: W should R6 and get it over with.
RayTomes [1d\]: r6 t6 r8 s10 dead?
cirno [-\]: Yes, that one.
Vinicius [1d\]: r6 r8?
cirno [-\]: Then can resign in peace.
]
;W[pj]WL[1050.814]C[Locks [6k\]: r6 r8 t7 i think
Bbridge [4d\]: nah raytome
cksmao [1d\]: white plans to sacrifice
Bbridge [4d\]: i hav a joseki dictionary
]
;B[ok]BL[2575.413]C[RayTomes [1d\]: r11?
Bbridge [4d\]: only 1 book
Aguydude [5k\]: Q10 was why I thought at least r9 could live
starshine [5d\]: you call that sacrigice...
cksmao [1d\]: the fours stone
starshine [5d\]: only 1 book Bbrigde?
cirno [-\]: If W planned to do anything other than sac here, he may as well have resigned. :)
starshine [5d\]: how big is that ? 3000 pages?
cksmao [1d\]: do you really think white can save that four stone?
RayTomes [1d\]: no
cksmao [1d\]: q6 group?
Aguydude [5k\]: R9 might live but saving q6 looks hopeless
RayTomes [1d\]: play r11 and save those 4 stone
]
;W[qi]WL[971.756]
;B[ql]BL[2567.562]C[cksmao [1d\]: yep he sacrificed it...
starshine [5d\]: that's not sacrifice... it's dying obediently...
cksmao [1d\]: sigh...
]
;W[rl]WL[921.727]C[hohoho2 [6k?\]: white not gained anything from it
]
;B[qn]BL[2562.877]C[cksmao [1d\]: depend on how you might call it
yithril [2d\]: thats definitely just death
cirno [-\]: Got S6 from it. :)
cksmao [1d\]: Ok, Unwillful sacrifice
cksmao [1d\]: better?
RayTomes [1d\]: its called make the best of a bad situation
RayTomes [1d\]: s10
Lynx [2d\]: white is stronger than black clearly
cksmao [1d\]: lol?
RayTomes [1d\]: eh?
myg0t [18k\]: lol
Aguydude [5k\]: White=4d
]
;W[qg]WL[875.519]C[hohoho2 [6k?\]: white = 4d pro
]
;B[oj]BL[2553.212]C[Lynx [2d\]: hmmm I meant black :P
]
;W[pi]WL[869.443]C[RayTomes [1d\]: 4d = amateuer, 4p = pro
]
(;B[oi]BL[2543.578]C[Aguydude [5k\]: Black's wall in P column is getting scarier and scarier
cksmao [1d\]: p11 amusing
Lynx [2d\]: Was the upper right corner joseki?
RayTomes [1d\]: B is 6d amat
Lynx [2d\]: I never saw that b4.
cksmao [1d\]: such a thick wall
starshine [5d\]: i think 4dan amateuer should be called 4a instead...
senchihiro [9k\]: strong wall
Eight [5k\]: STROOOOONG WALL
Aguydude [5k\]: Even if r16 died, I'd be woried for w
starshine [5d\]: after all... pro's rank is the original rank...
Eight [5k\]: i guess this wall is strong
cksmao [1d\]: It is plausible indeed for white to resign now, but the game stil has not reached a definitive conclusion
senchihiro [9k\]: ^^
Plubo [12k\]: :-)
Aguydude [5k\]: White could n6, but I think black would just laugh
Eight [5k\]: ^^
Eight [5k\]: well this wall is really strong
myg0t [18k\]: lol
aguilar1 [6d\]: esta fue lenta, no?
Emil [4d\]: si
]
;W[kq]WL[776.081]C[hohoho2 [6k?\]: wall is overratted
]
;B[lp]BL[2522.556]C[senchihiro [9k\]: black may made ten times pass :)
Aguydude [5k\]: So is side, hohoho
starshine [5d\]: life is overated...
myg0t [18k\]: lmao
cksmao [1d\]: wall is underrated by weaker players
Aguydude [5k\]: Lantern=6 points per additional stone
]
;W[kp]WL[732.575]C[Aguydude [5k\]: cksmao: That's because whenever weaker players make a wall, their opponent sticks like one stone next to it and the wall doesn't turn into territory.
Eight [5k\]: WOW, really strong wall.
cksmao [1d\]: The wall is not used to make terr most of the timje
RayTomes [1d\]: walls are for capturing large groups against  :-)
]
;B[qf]BL[2485.426]C[BabaAesop [10k?\]: lol
Aguydude [5k\]: cksmao: Shh, you'll give away dan secrets.
hohoho2 [6k?\]: WOW, a wall is strong to begin with, what does WOW a really strong wall mean?
BabaAesop [10k?\]: OMG A WALL 
starshine [5d\]: nah walls are used to make big territory, everything is to make territory
RayTomes [1d\]: it means long wall with no defects
Eight [5k\]: Well i guess this wall is just STRONG WOAAHH
BabaAesop [10k?\]: they suck i hear
Aguydude [5k\]: Black's wall is seriously lacking in aji
cksmao [1d\]: a strong wall means a wall without another strong force nearby
Plubo [12k\]: BIG WALL!
BabaAesop [10k?\]: lol
myg0t [18k\]: aji?
]
;W[rg]WL[658.769]C[RayTomes [1d\]: everyone together now ... BIG WALL!
Eight [5k\]: WTH is this strong wall ?! Right, a strong BIG wall
senchihiro [9k\]: big wallllllllllllllllllll
Eight [5k\]: YEAAHH !!!
cksmao [1d\]: if for example black has a wall but it is surrounded by white stones it could not be called a "strong wall"
BabaAesop [10k?\]: that is the most giant wall i have ever seen
hohoho2 [6k?\]: i hope white wins
Plubo [12k\]: BIIIIG!
Eight [5k\]: lets go crazy bout this strong wall
Aguydude [5k\]: myg0t: http://senseis.xmp.net/?aji
]
;B[ph]BL[2452.628]C[hohoho2 [6k?\]: let's hope W+R everybody
yithril [2d\]: he's had enough fernando
]
;W[qh]WL[648.567]C[yithril [2d\]: it already hurts so bad
cksmao [1d\]: black just keeps strengthening the thickness
]
;B[eq]BL[2430.21]C[Eight [5k\]: may i ask
Eight [5k\]: why is the 4dan playin white?
]
;W[gq]WL[635.234]C[yithril [2d\]: even game
Crysknife [8k\]: free game
yithril [2d\]: random selection for color
Eight [5k\]: well, he gets raped
cksmao [1d\]: a good game between two friend probably
yithril [2d\]: this is fujitsu cup qualifier
RayTomes [1d\]: but when W p[lay up at M5 or L6 and then down from N15, wall doesn't amount to that much
starshine [5d\]: because this is a tournament game
cksmao [1d\]: eight I won't say white is raped
hohoho2 [6k?\]: white owns the 6d that's y he is playing white
cksmao [1d\]: really starshine this is a tournament game?
Eight [5k\]: cksmao :" WOW, a really strong wall!!!"
yithril [2d\]: yes
Eight [5k\]: sry i'm drunk ^^ someone wants to play with me?
Aguydude [5k\]: As a lowly kyu, I don't fully understand how the wall impacts the game.
yithril [2d\]: check kibitz, they announced it at the beginning :)
RayTomes [1d\]: beginning is gone
cksmao [1d\]: wall may not have an immediate impact
cksmao [1d\]: but later when a fight erupts
Eight [5k\]: agu, i'm just kidding bout this wall ^^ 
yithril [2d\]: umm, you can just look at it offline...
RayTomes [1d\]: too much "WOW, BIG WALL!"
Aguydude [5k\]: Fujitsu cup...
cksmao [1d\]: black can easily force white to drive into his wall
]
;B[cm]BL[2309.088]C[senchihiro [9k\]: this wall is really big 
cksmao [1d\]: c7 amusing
Aguydude [5k\]: Why, cks?
cksmao [1d\]: another good move
starshine [5d\]: c7 is normal
RayTomes [1d\]: now all W stones played in upper left will be chased mercilessly against the wall
cksmao [1d\]: I suppose e5 is disadvantageous for white
senchihiro [9k\]: c4 anormal
cksmao [1d\]: wrong direction
starshine [5d\]: no reason to pull out  B stone
cksmao [1d\]: I mean for black
cksmao [1d\]: sorry
]
;W[ep]WL[534.945]
;B[dp]BL[2301.658]C[ago33 [4k?\]: white should resign
starshine [5d\]: wow... B decide to live immediatly...
senchihiro [9k\]: i guess.. b ll win +100.5
cksmao [1d\]: starshine perhaps black is content to live because he has more terr?
cksmao [1d\]: should white d3 or d5?
RayTomes [1d\]: d3
senchihiro [9k\]: d3.. i guess
myg0t [18k\]: whats byo yomi on this
senchihiro [9k\]: then e2
starshine [5d\]: but d3 don't work...
RayTomes [1d\]: are you sure?
cksmao [1d\]: don't tell me w is going to tenuki lol
starshine [5d\]: you need ladder...
rakiurasky [5k?\]: myg, you click on Options at the upper right of this board.  Then Rules. That will tell you.
RobertT [5k\]: d3 d5 e2 c3 senchihiro
amycheetah [6k\]: don't think he'll tenuki but still a hard choice...
cksmao [1d\]: funny how emil spent most of his time already while aguilar spent almos=t none
ago33 [4k?\]: d3 might wor
]
(;W[dq]WL[280.743]C[ago33 [4k?\]: work
myg0t [18k\]: thanks
]
;B[do]BL[2296.44]C[RayTomes [1d\]: I would play c3 next
]
;W[eo]WL[272.671]
;B[cq]BL[2293.205]
;W[dr]WL[269.069]C[Eight [5k\]: i would take a look at this beautiful BIG wall
]
;B[co]BL[2279.257]C[RobertT [5k\]: eight why dont you try throwing eggs at it while your looking
starshine [5d\]: this ...don't work for white because of the c7 stone...
]
;W[cr]WL[225.83]C[Eight [5k\]: the question is, how many beer is inside of me
]
;B[bp]BL[2259.164]C[Eight [5k\]: i wont bother u guys anymore ^^ have fun, gn8
RayTomes [1d\]: e6?
senchihiro [9k\]: e6
RayTomes [1d\]: I picked a 9k move ;-)
cksmao [1d\]: white's terr can't match blacks
senchihiro [9k\]: :S
senchihiro [9k\]: noo
cksmao [1d\]: this will be an easy game for black
senchihiro [9k\]: i am watching the game
RayTomes [1d\]: what is meaning of :S
rakiurasky [5k?\]: Those purple skulls in Emil's foto would put fear into me.
senchihiro [9k\]: unhappy
RayTomes [1d\]: oh sorry
rakiurasky [5k?\]: nauseous?
RayTomes [1d\]: time is running out
]
;W[em]WL[46.348]
;B[br]BL[2244.633]C[senchihiro [9k\]: time is running every time 
Emil [4d\]: pero quedo medio fea  mi shape
aguilar1 [6d\]: sí
Emil [4d\]: y al final te llevaste la esquina
aguilar1 [6d\]: claro
]
;W[er]WL[21.903]C[liuyuren [1k\]: ignote
]
;B[el]BL[2237.013]C[liuyuren [1k\]: ah
]
;W[fl]WL[10.789]
;B[ek]BL[2234.335]C[RayTomes [1d\]: m5
liuyuren [1k\]: have not seen any chance for w
senchihiro [9k\]: d13
RayTomes [1d\]: J17
cksmao [1d\]: I tell you white is going to make much terr in the center given that thickness on the right
RayTomes [1d\]: you mean B?
cksmao [1d\]: the only way for white I think right now is to start a fight
starshine [5d\]: that's a profound statement
UchiSasuke [4k\]: is it enough ? because if that happend i bet b will safe territory in the 5th line on the left 
cksmao [1d\]: not going
]
;W[fm]WL[794.678]OW[24]C[cksmao [1d\]: *not
]
(;B[fk]BL[2228.028]C[starshine [5d\]: well... white don't stand a chance as he is playing right now
]
;W[cf]WL[767.887]OW[23]C[liuyuren [1k\]: hopless for ew
senchihiro [9k\]: ^^
fosil [-\]: b15
liuyuren [1k\]: w
senchihiro [9k\]: nearly
cksmao [1d\]: The only way I see it for white to win is to overplay and start a fight
starshine [5d\]: has to completely remove the territory on the right
starshine [5d\]: left*
]
;B[ce]BL[2188.885]
;W[df]WL[763.428]OW[22]
;B[fd]BL[2186.16]C[cksmao [1d\]: normal play won't work given that he is already at a disadvantage
senchihiro [9k\]: f13
liuyuren [1k\]: b do not need to fight
rakiurasky [5k?\]: c10?
cksmao [1d\]: no
cksmao [1d\]: c11
cksmao [1d\]: c10 to far
liuyuren [1k\]: just finish the game in order
cksmao [1d\]: well it doesn't matter anyways
cksmao [1d\]: because black will still be in the lead
]
;W[cj]WL[702.635]OW[21]C[liuyuren [1k\]: unless w overplay
rakiurasky [5k?\]: hehe
senchihiro [9k\]: wauw
cksmao [1d\]: congrats
starshine [5d\]: and here come c10... 
starshine [5d\]: b c12
cksmao [1d\]: overplay of course is necessary?
]
;B[ch]BL[2147.743]
;W[dh]WL[698.857]OW[20]C[cksmao [1d\]: good prediction startshine
]
;B[ci]BL[2137.496]
;W[di]WL[696.232]OW[19]
;B[bj]BL[2135.3]C[cksmao [1d\]: I sense a bloody death
RayTomes [1d\]: don't know why W didn't play C11 or D11 rather than C10, as C9 was still possible next
rakiurasky [5k?\]: yeah, c11 looks, in hindsight soooo much better for w 
skamus [?\]: I sense a huge fight and an slaughter
starshine [5d\]: throw in right after C10 is crucial
lgalfaso2 [2d\]: b9?
senchihiro [9k\]: very hard two eyes there
RayTomes [1d\]: I don't think b11 or b9 works
rakiurasky [5k?\]: perhaps the purple skulls in emil's foto now whisper of death....to the d12 w grp.
skamus [?\]: however W did a good game :) he was fearless
RayTomes [1d\]: d9 maybe
UchiSasuke [4k\]: c9
cksmao [1d\]: skamus fearless is not the equivlent of good play
senchihiro [9k\]: w ll play on f colon 
UchiSasuke [4k\]: sen this is not roulette ;p
UchiSasuke [4k\]: its kibitz
senchihiro [9k\]: f13 maybe
UchiSasuke [4k\]: =D
cksmao [1d\]: if white lives I will be surprised
]
;W[bk]WL[459.324]OW[18]
;B[ck]BL[2126.005]
;W[dj]WL[456.956]OW[17]C[cksmao [1d\]: Though I can think c10 is an "bad" overplay; an overplay that can easily be punished
]
;B[bi]BL[2099.94]C[rakiurasky [5k?\]: yeah :-(
cksmao [1d\]: a good overplay takes some reading to punish, but this one is just too obvious
senchihiro [9k\]: no salvation there 
RayTomes [1d\]: will leave some aji behind c8 d9 b7 b6 d7 c6 ?
senchihiro [9k\]: w ll die
]
;W[dk]WL[400.493]OW[16]C[cksmao [1d\]: not necessarily, depends on black's mood
]
;B[cl]BL[2089.355]C[starshine [5d\]: nah white will not die I even doubt that if D11 is correct...
]
;W[dl]WL[395.808]OW[15]C[RayTomes [1d\]: wants d8 to attack e8 etc
inte [?\]: in the end, we all die.
]
;B[dm]BL[2083.506]C[RayTomes [1d\]: good idea
cksmao [1d\]: f9 can't be attacked
cksmao [1d\]: wrong dircetion
RayTomes [1d\]: why not?
cksmao [1d\]: tell how
cksmao [1d\]: tell me how
RayTomes [1d\]: g9
cksmao [1d\]: wrong direciton
cksmao [1d\]: ??
RayTomes [1d\]: well what is reply?
Emil [4d\]: dificil pa blanco creo
]
(;W[gk]WL[327.616]OW[14]C[starshine [5d\]: welll... but f9 can't be capture can it?
cksmao [1d\]: not any
RayTomes [1d\]: maybe maybe not
yithril [2d\]: i dont see it being captured
]
;B[fj]BL[2061.587]C[mimi31k [-\]: white can get shape
cksmao [1d\]: f9 can't be killed
RayTomes [1d\]: but squeeze can make shape for W
cksmao [1d\]: if aguillar didn't read that he won't be 6d
mimi31k [-\]: G11
cksmao [1d\]: so i am sure you can't kill f9
mimi31k [-\]: its not supposed to be killed
RayTomes [1d\]: must be proven on go board, not from players ranks
cksmao [1d\]: of course raytomes
Slartibart [1d\]: perhaps attacking f9 will kill L16
rakiurasky [5k?\]: but maybe there is a fatwa against f10.
UchiSasuke [4k\]: whats a fatwa?
RayTomes [1d\]: J17 is good for W some time
]
;W[gj]WL[198.02]OW[13]C[Slartibart [1d\]: yes, even better after squeezing fg10
]
;B[fi]BL[2050.194]C[senchihiro [9k\]: w g12 
RayTomes [1d\]: g12 or g13?
]
;W[gh]WL[184.447]OW[12]C[nosferatu: fatwa is a "curse"
UchiSasuke [4k\]: oo k
]
;B[gi]BL[2031.469]
;W[hi]WL[180.395]OW[11]
;B[fh]BL[2027.725]C[starshine [5d\]: so basically... white totally screwed...
]
;W[fg]WL[173.634]OW[10]C[yithril [2d\]: pretty much
UchiSasuke [4k\]: say waht f13 o.O
cksmao [1d\]: seki for that
]
;B[eg]BL[2002.101]C[RayTomes [1d\]: seki possible maybe
]
;W[gg]WL[168.187]OW[9]C[Slartibart [1d\]: aguilar style - survive 'totally screwed' position
cksmao [1d\]: no seki
cksmao [1d\]: kill???
cksmao [1d\]: or seki
Torpor [-\]: seki
RayTomes [1d\]: e14 e12 d13 seki
cksmao [1d\]: won't be a true seki though 
cksmao [1d\]: if g11 is killed
RayTomes [1d\]: yes, will be true
cksmao [1d\]: too many cut points
RayTomes [1d\]: as outside fairly safe
RayTomes [1d\]: and W move
cksmao [1d\]: e14 
cksmao [1d\]: so many terr
]
;B[dg]BL[1914.732]C[cksmao [1d\]: kill
RayTomes [1d\]: e12 alive
cksmao [1d\]: \\I forget d13 sente
mimi31k [-\]: E14
RayTomes [1d\]: e14 risky
cksmao [1d\]: e14 not sente
starshine [5d\]: no time to play E12
mimi31k [-\]: E12 is gg
aguilar1 [6d\]: esto parece bueno para Negro
Emil [4d\]: definitivo
aguilar1 [6d\]: levemente favorable a Negro
]
;W[hd]WL[94.386]OW[8]C[cksmao [1d\]: will black forsake the three stones?
RayTomes [1d\]: no
nosferatu: h16 means that w read the ladder?
RayTomes [1d\]: too big
]
;B[ef]BL[1876.298]C[UchiSasuke [4k\]: it would seem he just did
RayTomes [1d\]: e12 worth 16 points
RayTomes [1d\]: and gote now
]
;W[hf]WL[57.424]OW[7]C[lgalfaso2 [2d\]: h10?
XiaoLing [2d\]: moyo looks huge
]
;B[hc]BL[1857.83]
;W[ic]WL[55.106]OW[6]
;B[hb]BL[1855.735]C[Lynx [2d\]: I am craving beer right now.
]
;W[ib]WL[49.44]OW[5]
;B[id]BL[1850.501]C[fosil [-\]: wheres the moyo?
Lynx [2d\]: but we have none in my house.  Discuss.
]
;W[ie]WL[44.723]OW[4]
;B[jd]BL[1846.983]
;W[ja]WL[40.831]OW[3]C[yithril [2d\]: the beer fairy brings mine
]
;B[gd]BL[1844.281]
;W[he]WL[39.022]OW[2]C[Lynx [2d\]: the real question here is, Why is aguilar wasting so much time with an inferior opponent?
cksmao [1d\]: I am hoping for a total annihilation
RayTomes [1d\]: e12 can be considered a swap now
cksmao [1d\]: lynx
cksmao [1d\]: this is a tournament game
cksmao [1d\]: fujitsu game
]
;B[ko]BL[1810.037]C[Lynx [2d\]: isn't that like a super big tournament >_<?
]
;W[jo]WL[32.555]OW[1]C[yithril [2d\]: yeap
]
;B[kn]BL[1808.01]C[fosil [-\]: this is qualifier
cksmao [1d\]: see aguilar just forsook these stones
]
;W[jn]WL[900]OW[25]C[yithril [2d\]: who will represent latin america>??!!!  find out today kids
rakiurasky [5k?\]: how many yen at stake here?
]
;B[kr]BL[1802.218]C[cksmao [1d\]: honestly black could just sit back and win the gasme
RayTomes [1d\]: gets some sente moves around r1 later
cksmao [1d\]: there is no need to fight now
]
;W[jr]WL[843.239]OW[24]
;B[jp]BL[1794.698]
;W[jq]WL[838.831]OW[23]C[RayTomes [1d\]: strong players almost always fight
]
;B[mr]BL[1742.57]C[cksmao [1d\]: strong players also know how to resolve the game faster
lgalfaso2 [2d\]: ?!?!?!
RayTomes [1d\]: misclick
Emil [4d\]: perdon ahi
]
(;W[ks]WL[828.869]OW[22]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: ok
Torpor [-\]: Really?  I've seen pros decide not to fight when they were ahead.
RayTomes [1d\]: sure
cksmao [1d\]: pros once they have  a lead capitalize on it
RayTomes [1d\]: simplify is the word
cksmao [1d\]: yes
]
;B[nr]BL[1677.924]
;W[or]WL[823.298]OW[21]C[cksmao [1d\]: and why complicate it now when black is clearly in the lead?
]
;B[qs]BL[1673.746]
;W[ns]WL[820.715]OW[20]C[RayTomes [1d\]: could W have played S1 first?
Lynx [2d\]: maybe... w is only 4d.
shrek [6k\]: heh, only....
senchihiro [9k\]: :(.. i m only 9k
amycheetah [6k\]: xDDD
rakiurasky [5k?\]: aguilar only has 26 min. of main time left......
aguilar1 [6d\]: parece que Negro tiene ventaja
aguilar1 [6d\]: no grande, pero suficiente
]
;B[lf]BL[1573.247]C[Aguydude [5k\]: With 25/15, I don't think time is a concern
rakiurasky [5k?\]: i was making joke on "only""
rakiurasky [5k?\]: ;-)
woot [2d\]: time is always a concern.
XiaoLing [2d\]: not funny
rakiurasky [5k?\]: :-(
XiaoLing [2d\]: haha 
RayTomes [1d\]: n13 - fighting spirit!
nanotech [1k\]: o13?
Lynx [2d\]: ooh, black is doing a "seal" tesuji"
nosferatu: if w doesn't play 25 stones in 15 minutes he loses?
Aguydude [5k\]: woot: Not when you're not willing or not needing to use all your time, it isn't.
Aguydude [5k\]: I don't think Aguilar is concerned about time
starshine [5d\]: black is "closing the store"
cksmao [1d\]: yes starshine
woot [2d\]: Aguilar doesn't ofc
cksmao [1d\]: simply the process
cksmao [1d\]: black is trying to get the last piece of center terr
Lynx [2d\]: black is more vicious than a herd of insane chicken.
Aguydude [5k\]: E12=12 points in gote.
cksmao [1d\]: e12 not necessary now
Aguydude [5k\]: 12 points too small now.
woot [2d\]: it's even smaller in miai value
woot [2d\]: a second line hane is larger than E12 right now
cksmao [1d\]: I won't say that unless it's sente??
senchihiro [9k\]: maybe .. w ll resign the game now...
Aguydude [5k\]: woot: What's it worth in miai value?
RayTomes [1d\]: W looking at N13 or O13
starshine [5d\]: nah a second line hane is not as big as E12
starshine [5d\]: E12 is 14 points
cksmao [1d\]: e12 is big
Lynx [2d\]: a second line hane is worth 6 points
cksmao [1d\]: but center terr is more urgent
nosferatu: can w kill l17?
nosferatu: I mean capture
woot [2d\]: B E12 gives 14 points for either player
cksmao [1d\]: since it is the boundary of two moyo
woot [2d\]: so miai is 7
fujiazheng [10k\]: beahand 14point
Aguydude [5k\]: Oops, thanks starshine.  Wasn't accounting for e11/e10
RayTomes [1d\]: W can kill with m15 l14 l15 k14 k15 ...
cksmao [1d\]: woot but how is a hane on the second line (provided not sente) more important than e12?
woot [2d\]: If 2nd line hane allows a 6 point follow-up hane into the endgame, then it's 10 points miai value
RayTomes [1d\]: but wants to look at killing more withn13 maybe
woot [2d\]: (for both sides)
]
;W[le]WL[528.724]OW[19]
;B[kg]BL[1561.903]C[cksmao [1d\]: the most important part right now is the center
cksmao [1d\]: how gets the most terr in the center
Aguydude [5k\]: Why not wl15?
woot [2d\]: Question - which is bigger - eating L15 stones or intruding into B center?  By how much?
RayTomes [1d\]: L15
senchihiro [9k\]: L10 important point
cksmao [1d\]: l15
cksmao [1d\]: More substantial than center
starshine [5d\]: L14
cksmao [1d\]: center is uncertain
Emil [4d\]: lo de la izq estuvo feo
aguilar1 [6d\]: sí
]
;W[kf]WL[469.202]OW[18]C[RayTomes [1d\]: w needs max libs on N15 stones for N13 orO13
fujiazheng [10k\]: ohh,white to hard
RayTomes [1d\]: mistake
Lynx [2d\]: l7 seems soo sooo big
woot [2d\]: No, this is a good move
fujiazheng [10k\]: too hard
Lynx [2d\]: because it GROWS white and SHRINKS black.
Lynx [2d\]: >_<
cksmao [1d\]: black will play l7
nosferatu: b is connected now
woot [2d\]: L7 is very large, should be around 10 points miai as well
cksmao [1d\]: soon...
cksmao [1d\]: l7 is larger than that woot
nanotech [1k\]: bm13 and then takes half the center
cksmao [1d\]: double sente
woot [2d\]: it's ~20 points deiri.
nosferatu: k14 k15 l15, I'm I missing something
RayTomes [1d\]: k13 first
Lynx [2d\]: will u stop using big words and start englishizing?
RayTomes [1d\]: k14 l15 k15 k13 rather
cksmao [1d\]: what is the equivalent of deiri in english though?
woot [2d\]: deiri = traditional endgame value
woot [2d\]: like
woot [2d\]: "E12 is 14 points"
]
;B[ii]BL[1440.347]C[Aguydude [5k\]: deiri = value if one guy goes first - value if other guy goes first
starshine [5d\]: I wonder if aguilar actually read L14...
starshine [5d\]: I think he probably expected L15
woot [2d\]: miai = gain of a play over average
cksmao [1d\]: no
woot [2d\]: so "E12 gains 7 points over the average "
cksmao [1d\]: miai means having two options
cksmao [1d\]: Yon can play either A or B
cksmao [1d\]: that's miai
woot [2d\]: "Miai Counting" is a technical term.
rakiurasky [5k?\]: "me, I" is rasta.  like "I & I"
RayTomes [1d\]: miaia is two plays that when one takes one, the other takes the other
woot [2d\]: "Miai" means A or B
woot [2d\]: senseis.xmp.net/?MiaiCounting
woot [2d\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?MiaiCounting
inte [?\]: roughly, two moves are miai if their miai value is the same.
aguilar1 [6d\]: esta creo que funcionó bien
]
;W[hj]WL[365.272]OW[17]C[woot [2d\]: the name is misleading, but that's what it's called
cksmao [1d\]: or right black just keeps expanding
RayTomes [1d\]: k14 l15 k15 k13 j13 k12 j12 ???
woot [2d\]: B would still be short libs it seems
Aguydude [5k\]: I prefer Aguydude counting.  A move's Aguydude value is the difference between the net score at the end if you make that move vs. the if you pass.
]
;B[jf]BL[1378.877]
;W[ke]WL[357.431]OW[16]C[nosferatu: consider that in japanese "miai" would normally mean "counterbalance"
nosferatu: it's not a specific go term
cksmao [1d\]: miai is "see+converge"
UchiSasuke [4k\]: mewo
UchiSasuke [4k\]: meow* xD
RayTomes [1d\]: this is very deep
woot [2d\]: Actually Sensei's Library does a terrible job of explaining miai counting, you need to read the material about 5 tims
cksmao [1d\]: a useful word that has no equivallent in other languages
Aguydude [5k\]: woot: Then fix it.
woot [2d\]: I am ^^
cksmao [1d\]: including chinese and korean
fb [6k?\]: thx woot
Kyouki [6k\]: k13 next?
nosferatu: it also means "marriage interview"
woot [2d\]: anyway, the miai value of E12 is 7: (14 - 0) / 2
woot [2d\]: chinese is 见和
]
;B[je]BL[1251.003]C[RayTomes [1d\]: not usre that K15 works
cksmao [1d\]: woot chinese borrowed that word from japaense
RayTomes [1d\]: but fascinating anyway
Aguydude [5k\]: The Aguydude value of E12 is 14.
Aguydude [5k\]: (For either player)
nosferatu: funny woot
woot [2d\]: yes, you're correct
Aguydude [5k\]: Someday when I'm 9p people will start using the term "Aguydude value" regularly.
RayTomes [1d\]: 2047?
woot [2d\]: Japanese is originally "borrowed" from Chinese, then the Chinese borrowed several Go terms back from Japan, after all the research done there
Plubo [12k\]: or Ag value
RayTomes [1d\]: W must k13
cksmao [1d\]: should be 见合 
Plubo [12k\]: rolls off the tongue a little better
cksmao [1d\]: not 见和
woot [2d\]: Lol, my pinyin input = bad.
rakiurasky [5k?\]: a silver tongue
nosferatu: yes the second hanzi is funny
nosferatu: was wondering why it came up that way
woot [2d\]: 谁会讲中文？
cksmao [1d\]: 我
rakiurasky [5k?\]: Emil burnin some serious clock
woot [2d\]: 你是哪里人？
RayTomes [1d\]: will be a flurry of activity soon
cksmao [1d\]: shanghai
RayTomes [1d\]: starting K13
]
;W[ki]WL[133.623]OW[15]C[nanotech [1k\]: b takes ~ 30 in the middle
woot [2d\]: Aguilar is an impressive player
]
;B[ig]BL[1225.197]C[RayTomes [1d\]: kthreaten h12
woot [2d\]: white should resign now
aguilar1 [6d\]: una vez que Negro rescata su grupo, está definido
]
;W[hh]WL[116.34]OW[14]C[RayTomes [1d\]: m12 well out
RayTomes [1d\]: W big read all wrong
cksmao [1d\]: no
cksmao [1d\]: I think here
cksmao [1d\]: white lost
cksmao [1d\]: because of the mistake during the Taisha sequence
senchihiro [9k\]: j12
Ecchi [8k?\]: p13 to w
Ecchi [8k?\]: for l11
woot [2d\]: 白L14不对
RayTomes [1d\]: n14 also nice
RayTomes [1d\]: as o14 atari
starshine [5d\]: well after the taisha white isn't completely lost ... well at least at my level
woot [2d\]: 我觉得百棋给了太大的利用
woot [2d\]: 白*
senchihiro [9k\]: k11 or j12
nosferatu: 何一人で中国語書いてんだオイ
cksmao [1d\]: 是嗎
hohoho2 [-\]: japanese got lots of chinese symbols
cksmao [1d\]: nosferatu are you japanes
]
;B[nc]BL[1067.578]C[senchihiro [9k\]: also てんだオイ
nosferatu: kind of
RayTomes [1d\]: this is useful when planning to play n14
starshine [5d\]: supposedly japanese originate from chinese
RayTomes [1d\]: allows q16 in sente also
woot [2d\]: 情况很复杂,其实L15至小安全一点
]
;W[nb]WL[73.049]OW[13]C[yithril [2d\]: yay
]
;B[mf]BL[1060.846]C[nosferatu: if you mean the  script, then yes
cksmao [1d\]: woot 白棋已輸了
woot [2d\]: 肯定
]
;W[jh]WL[47.763]OW[12]
;B[nf]BL[1051.562]
;W[nd]WL[46.241]OW[11]C[RayTomes [1d\]: o14 o16 q16 p17 k13 
cksmao [1d\]: Japanese has relation with chinese on grammar
]
;B[jg]BL[1047.85]C[cksmao [1d\]: only script and vocab
]
;W[ih]WL[43.911]OW[10]C[woot [2d\]: 吃不了就是
cksmao [1d\]: not
]
;B[km]BL[1043.531]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: acá ya está, no?
]
;W[lh]WL[41.975]OW[9]C[cksmao [1d\]: no* relation
nosferatu: ?
nosferatu: japanese has not relations on grammar
nosferatu: at all
Emil [4d\]: si
]
;B[lg]BL[1022.441]C[woot [2d\]: No grammar relation.
starshine [5d\]: yes
]
;W[jm]WL[36.84]OW[8]C[UchiSasuke [4k\]: can w live around c17?
Aguydude [5k\]: e12...
fg4w [4d\]: E12 
UchiSasuke [4k\]: i mean is there enuff aji with the c14 stones?
woot [2d\]: Many "meaning" and iniutitional similarities
woot [2d\]: intuitional*
woot [2d\]: I can't spell
Aguydude [5k\]: Yay.  I agreed with a 4d.  I feel smart.
senchihiro [9k\]: L colon is big
]
;B[kl]BL[973.833]C[senchihiro [9k\]: ^^
]
;W[eh]WL[29.768]OW[7]
;B[ff]BL[965.713]C[RayTomes [1d\]: soon comes e12 - they did it while I typed
Aguydude [5k\]: I agreed with 2 4ds :P
inte [?\]: Aguydude, the "Aguydude" value of e12 is probably close to 7 - the problem being that if the player passes, there's a 14 point gote move available on board, compared to the case where he plays e12.
]
;W[jl]WL[17.86]OW[6]
;B[ha]BL[949.585]C[senchihiro [9k\]: L colon is very strong
]
(;W[kb]WL[14.19]OW[5]C[GloomyCat [1k\]: why f14?
Aguydude [5k\]: Inte: Good point.
]
;B[kk]BL[923.203]C[Aguydude [5k\]: Though tedomari means it might not be exactly 7
UchiSasuke [4k\]: bueno juego
senchihiro [9k\]: ^^
aguilar1 [6d\]: muchas gracias
UchiSasuke [4k\]: buen* =D
amycheetah [6k\]: buen juego
Emil [4d\]: gracias
lgalfaso2 [2d\]: tomo nota del resultado
RayTomes [1d\]: f14 ... maybe something in corner? can't see it
lgalfaso2 [2d\]: saludo
inte [?\]: Aguydude, yep.
Emil [4d\]: la vemos?
UchiSasuke [4k\]: i thought c13 first raytomes
aguilar1 [6d\]: ok
aguilar1 [6d\]: bueno, esto fue todo
Emil [4d\]: gracias
aguilar1 [6d\]: igualmente, gracias a ti
aguilar1 [6d\]: saludos
Emil [4d\]: estuvo divertido  :)
smontiel [3k\]: buena partida. gracias, saludos
Emil [4d\]: saludos igual :)
Emil [4d\]: exito en tus proximas partidas
])
(;W[ia]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: esta parece mejor
Emil [4d\]: ok
aguilar1 [6d\]: deja aji en el rincón
]))
(;W[js]WL[835.021]OW[22]C[RayTomes [1d\]: what?
]))
(;W[gj]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: se puede jugar así?
Emil [4d\]: tal vez
aguilar1 [6d\]: así se puede complicar
Emil [4d\]: no considere esa
Emil [4d\]: pense en jugar en esa direccion
Emil [4d\]: esa se ve interesante
aguilar1 [6d\]: sí
]))
(;B[ce]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: tal vez así mejor
Emil [4d\]: se ve bien
Emil [4d\]: aunque f9 a mi me gusto
aguilar1 [6d\]: en el centro no hay mucho
]))
(;W[do]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: así?
]
;B[dq]
;W[eo]
;B[cq]
;W[bo]
;B[bq]C[Emil [4d\]: no queria dejarle a negro la esquijna asi
aguilar1 [6d\]: ok
]))
(;B[qf]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: tal vez así primero
])
(;B[kq]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: o directamente así
]
;W[kr]
;B[jq]
;W[qf]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: esta es molesta
Emil [4d\]: pero no muy severa
Emil [4d\]: y k3 es gde
aguilar1 [6d\]: sí, parece que tendría que haber jugado así
]))
(;W[op]C[aguilar1 [6d\]: así tal vez?
Emil [4d\]: lo pense
]
;B[oo]
;W[po]
;B[pn]
;W[pp]
;B[no]C[Emil [4d\]: pero no muy me gusto
aguilar1 [6d\]: ok
]))